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		<title>Comment on Hey baby, what is your material type and material status . . . by Tweets that mention Hey baby, what is your material type and material status . . . « -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jim Harris, Henrik L Sørensen. Henrik L Sørensen said: Reading @JackieMRoberts Hey baby, what is your material type and material status http://bit.ly/8ZVneM #MDM #dataquality #datacleansing #PIM [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jim Harris, Henrik L Sørensen. Henrik L Sørensen said: Reading @JackieMRoberts Hey baby, what is your material type and material status <a href="http://bit.ly/8ZVneM" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/8ZVneM</a> #MDM #dataquality #datacleansing #PIM [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did we forget the old adage &#8220;Garbage In, Garbage Out&#8221; I mean Garbage Extracted, Garbage Migrated by Phil Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Why invest in a software product if the data is not going to be treated as an asset?&lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s an excellent question, Jackie. Maybe one day I&#039;ll be smart enough to actually to know the answer.

Give me an older system with good data over a newer one with garbage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Why invest in a software product if the data is not going to be treated as an asset?</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s an excellent question, Jackie. Maybe one day I&#8217;ll be smart enough to actually to know the answer.</p>
<p>Give me an older system with good data over a newer one with garbage any day of the week and twice on Sunday.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did we forget the old adage &#8220;Garbage In, Garbage Out&#8221; I mean Garbage Extracted, Garbage Migrated by Ken O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.dataforge.com/wpblog/index.php/jackie-roberts/did-we-forget-the-old-adage-garbage-in-garbage-out-i-mean-garbage-extracted-garbage-migrated/comment-page-1/#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jackie,

Expectation management is one of the challenges of &quot;new systems&quot; and new &quot;software products&quot;.  The marketing material, and the business case always highlights what the new system is, undoubtedly, CAPABLE of doing.

The marketing demo shown to the senior execs, always uses pre-populated sample data, to illustrate the wonderful capabilities of the new system. 

The fact that a new system is CAPABLE of accepting perfect data, and CAPABLE of generating wonderful results, on the basis of perfect data, is no indication of what the new system will ACTUALLY do.      

Most new systems need to be populated by a Data Migration project.  Failing to plan data cleansing of the old data is shockingly common place.     

Then senior execs express surprise when the &quot;new system&quot; fails to live up to their expectations....

Some &quot;new systems&quot; are required for regulatory compliance reasons (Anti Money Laundering, Solvency II, etc. ).  Regulators are beginning to seek evidence of the data population processes - I cite some examples on my blog.  

Rgds Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jackie,</p>
<p>Expectation management is one of the challenges of &#8220;new systems&#8221; and new &#8220;software products&#8221;.  The marketing material, and the business case always highlights what the new system is, undoubtedly, CAPABLE of doing.</p>
<p>The marketing demo shown to the senior execs, always uses pre-populated sample data, to illustrate the wonderful capabilities of the new system. </p>
<p>The fact that a new system is CAPABLE of accepting perfect data, and CAPABLE of generating wonderful results, on the basis of perfect data, is no indication of what the new system will ACTUALLY do.      </p>
<p>Most new systems need to be populated by a Data Migration project.  Failing to plan data cleansing of the old data is shockingly common place.     </p>
<p>Then senior execs express surprise when the &#8220;new system&#8221; fails to live up to their expectations&#8230;.</p>
<p>Some &#8220;new systems&#8221; are required for regulatory compliance reasons (Anti Money Laundering, Solvency II, etc. ).  Regulators are beginning to seek evidence of the data population processes &#8211; I cite some examples on my blog.  </p>
<p>Rgds Ken</p>
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		<title>Comment on Data Cleansing to Achieve Information Quality by Recently Read: March 22, 2010 &#171; Reblogger Memo Links</title>
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		<dc:creator>Recently Read: March 22, 2010 &#171; Reblogger Memo Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Data Cleansing to Achieve Information Quality &#8211; Jackie Roberts raises some interesting questions regarding the efforts needed to cleanse data though multiple stages of analytics and processes to achieve appropriate information quality. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Data Quality Open Issues and Questions? by Recently Read: March 6, 2010 &#171; Reblogger Memo Links</title>
		<link>http://www.dataforge.com/wpblog/index.php/jackie-roberts/data-quality-open-issues-and-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-830</link>
		<dc:creator>Recently Read: March 6, 2010 &#171; Reblogger Memo Links</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Data Quality Open Issues and Questions? &#8211; Jackie Roberts of DATAForge issues the blogosphere challenge of discussing real-world best practices for MDM, data governance, and data quality.&#160; This blog post received some great comments. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Data Quality Open Issues and Questions? &ndash; Jackie Roberts of DATAForge issues the blogosphere challenge of discussing real-world best practices for MDM, data governance, and data quality.&nbsp; This blog post received some great comments. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Data Cleansing to Achieve Information Quality by William Sharp</title>
		<link>http://www.dataforge.com/wpblog/index.php/jackie-roberts/data-cleansing-to-achieve-information-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-714</link>
		<dc:creator>William Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jackie &amp; @Ken ... Were you guys on the same projects I was a few years ago?  :)  I was an ETL developer on several data warehousing projects when I developed this philosophy.  I&#039;ve even been asked to reto-ETL a broken warehouse were the original ETL developers forgot to add -- primary keys! I&#039;ve learned to never rule anything out as far as data is concerned. I&#039;ve seen every special character on the keyboard in a dataset before.  Which leads me to believe someone loaded their delimiters.  

I think people take data for granted like we do hardware.  Not to mention, how often and long do people talk about the UI features they want?  It&#039;s more tangible to business users, somehow?

In the end, it&#039;s always going to be there and we need to be slick in the ways we try to prevent it and clean it up when it does happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jackie &amp; @Ken &#8230; Were you guys on the same projects I was a few years ago?  <img src='http://www.dataforge.com/wpblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I was an ETL developer on several data warehousing projects when I developed this philosophy.  I&#8217;ve even been asked to reto-ETL a broken warehouse were the original ETL developers forgot to add &#8212; primary keys! I&#8217;ve learned to never rule anything out as far as data is concerned. I&#8217;ve seen every special character on the keyboard in a dataset before.  Which leads me to believe someone loaded their delimiters.  </p>
<p>I think people take data for granted like we do hardware.  Not to mention, how often and long do people talk about the UI features they want?  It&#8217;s more tangible to business users, somehow?</p>
<p>In the end, it&#8217;s always going to be there and we need to be slick in the ways we try to prevent it and clean it up when it does happen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Data Cleansing to Achieve Information Quality by Ken O'Connor</title>
		<link>http://www.dataforge.com/wpblog/index.php/jackie-roberts/data-cleansing-to-achieve-information-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-713</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken O'Connor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jackie, 

I completely agree with your reply to William.

The attitude too often taken is: &quot;Our job is to implement the new system, not clean up someone else&#039;s mess&quot;.

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jackie, </p>
<p>I completely agree with your reply to William.</p>
<p>The attitude too often taken is: &#8220;Our job is to implement the new system, not clean up someone else&#8217;s mess&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>Comment on Data Cleansing to Achieve Information Quality by Jackie Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.dataforge.com/wpblog/index.php/jackie-roberts/data-cleansing-to-achieve-information-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William, I believe that the topic of verification or sometimes referred to a &quot;catalog @ source&quot; is a critical step of data quality but is usually overlooked during the traditional data migration phase of a software implementation which results in bad data moved from a legacy system to a new system . . . only providing the business with limited data accuracy for reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William, I believe that the topic of verification or sometimes referred to a &#8220;catalog @ source&#8221; is a critical step of data quality but is usually overlooked during the traditional data migration phase of a software implementation which results in bad data moved from a legacy system to a new system . . . only providing the business with limited data accuracy for reporting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Data Cleansing to Achieve Information Quality by William Sharp</title>
		<link>http://www.dataforge.com/wpblog/index.php/jackie-roberts/data-cleansing-to-achieve-information-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-711</link>
		<dc:creator>William Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. &quot;does an address or a product detail meet the requirement if only classified?&quot; - not in my opinion due to the fact that without verification the data cannot become information.

2. should verification at source (contact for address or manufacturer / supplier for product) be required at initial setup of the data in the system or maintenance scheduled as part of the data governance program? - yes, otherwise what are we governing and by what laws/rules.

3. Is the data incomplete? - yes, often address data is incomplete or invalid.  Either is insufficient to become information.

4. Does the MDM process include a question / answer scenario to complete the data? - I believe so.  This is the voting portion of the governance initiative, functioning as the business&#039; chance to manage its own information.

Great post Jackie!!  Keep it up!  I&#039;ll be mulling these questions over and forming a blog post soon!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. &#8220;does an address or a product detail meet the requirement if only classified?&#8221; &#8211; not in my opinion due to the fact that without verification the data cannot become information.</p>
<p>2. should verification at source (contact for address or manufacturer / supplier for product) be required at initial setup of the data in the system or maintenance scheduled as part of the data governance program? &#8211; yes, otherwise what are we governing and by what laws/rules.</p>
<p>3. Is the data incomplete? &#8211; yes, often address data is incomplete or invalid.  Either is insufficient to become information.</p>
<p>4. Does the MDM process include a question / answer scenario to complete the data? &#8211; I believe so.  This is the voting portion of the governance initiative, functioning as the business&#8217; chance to manage its own information.</p>
<p>Great post Jackie!!  Keep it up!  I&#8217;ll be mulling these questions over and forming a blog post soon!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Data Quality Open Issues and Questions? by Jackie Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.dataforge.com/wpblog/index.php/jackie-roberts/data-quality-open-issues-and-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 19:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julian, 
Just curious did you maintain the two different naming structures and providing a dynamic referencing system? Were each of the classification home grown or were they public classification structures? 

The classification of maintenance items is a challenge especially when you are working at multiple manufacturing facilities where the terminology and classifications are localized. We set up the standards, provided a clean classified and attributed record verified to the manufacturer of the component to the plant which improved our ability to standardize the MRO data up front. Part of our work with the maintenance and engineering departments was to set up synonym search capabilities which enhance the ability to find a part. 
Jackie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julian,<br />
Just curious did you maintain the two different naming structures and providing a dynamic referencing system? Were each of the classification home grown or were they public classification structures? </p>
<p>The classification of maintenance items is a challenge especially when you are working at multiple manufacturing facilities where the terminology and classifications are localized. We set up the standards, provided a clean classified and attributed record verified to the manufacturer of the component to the plant which improved our ability to standardize the MRO data up front. Part of our work with the maintenance and engineering departments was to set up synonym search capabilities which enhance the ability to find a part.<br />
Jackie</p>
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